Review: PinkDate

Review: PinkDate
Link: https://www.pinkdate.is

PinkDate is a new mobile app and service that states that it is designed to connect sex workers and clients in much the same way as Uber connects drivers with riders.

The problem is, Consensual Transactional Sex (CTS) is NOT the same as getting a ride in a car.

I have serious issues with this service and cannot recommend it at all.

My first problem is that there are no sex workers involved in the design or leadership of this company. The one that was involved was kicked out, essentially for being a sex worker. The other creators felt that she was somehow a liability due to the current laws (which they openly intend to break anyway). Without the direct involvement of at least one current or former sex worker, there is little faith that this company will do anything to place the safety and security of sex workers as any sort of priority.

Second problem, this company is not a company. They have no status as any sort of business entity, anywhere. That is problematic and highly suspicious. That is the kind of thing scam artists do.

Third problem for me, they will only be using cryptocurrency—primarily Bitcoin. In my opinion cryptocurrencies are far to erratic and unstable to be useful. All transactions will be handled by Bitcoin.

Which brings us to problem number four—a really, really big one: All transactions go through PinkDate. Clients pay for sessions through the app. And PinkDate will be keeping about 20% of the transaction. As a long-time CTS client, I have always preferred paying providers directly. And 20% is absolutely ridiculous. Borderline offensive to me.

And now we come to another big problem. Number five: screening. Apparently, once a person is signed up, they are considered “screened”. There seems to be an implication that providers are supposed to only use PinkDate’s screening, not their own. Since all communication is supposed to go through the app, the sex workers are limited in their ability to do their own screening. Yet there are no real guarantees at this point concerning how PinkDate plans on screening clients. Questions as to whether they intend to use any of the existing blacklists available online have gone unanswered. That is less than reassuring.

And now we come to another problem: Who will be in control? The Sex Workers or the company? I pulled this quote from the PinkDate website:

“Working for PinkDate will be safer and more profitable than being independent or working for a local organization.”

Perhaps it’s just me, but this sounds like sex workers who contract with PinkDate will be employees. But since the “company” has no legal corporate identity, ladies are in fact working for what I can only describe as an online pimp. I fear that any ladies working for PinkDate will be giving up a lot of freedom. That is most unsettling.

We do not know who is running PinkDate, we don’t know how they are running it, where they are running it, or why. There are just too many questions and concerns. As such, The ValleyScott Blog advises both sex workers and clients to avoid PinkDate at this time.

Grade: F
Additional Reading:

https://www.coindesk.com/sex-crypto-pinkdate-ico/

 

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12 comments

  1. Thanks for the review. Agree that the paltform sounds very suspicious and using Bitcoin sounds more like a drag. It’s so volatile providers would need to be updating their rates every couple hours

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  2. Some valid points, but just to clarify, transactions are expected to mostly be in cash. Commission fees are to be paid using cryptocurrency. Providers who sign up will be issued a small amount of Bitcoin and walked through the process of how to get into crypto. Provider rates will be listed in dollars, as normal.

    I agree PD should have sex workers on board helping to create policy. I hope they bring people on soon. But the fact that the team is anonymous is essential given the FOSTA/SESTA environment. They arrested the Pirate Bay founders in places as far flung as Cambodia. The reach of law enforcement is far and I think many who have started sex work sites as fully registered, public individuals have underestimated their risk exposure.

    You rightly point out that anonymity makes rational individuals nervous. But I also think rational individuals should acknowledge that while not ideal, anonymity is essential if the platform is to have any hope of staying in operation in the long term.

    As far as calling it “pimping,” I disagree with that assessment. Nobody is being coerced. Providers can choose to use the platform or not. It’s completely free unless they make a successful date, versus the current model of paying listing sites that may end up being completely fruitless. I think providers should ask themselves if the commission fee is worth it and go from there. I also hope that eventually the model moves to a stepped fee structure, such that a date with a new client starts out at a high fee and then it decreases or even goes away on subsequent dates.

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    • Thank you for commenting, Jacob.
      I’d like to address a couple of your comments.

      Anonymity is important in this community due to certain legal restrictions. I make use of a certain amount of it myself. “ValleyScott” is not my legal name, obviously. But in order to instill some level of trust for those who use my site, I must be public in a certain manner so that people know who is running this blog. We in the community have zero sense of who is behind PinkDate. (We also have that problem with a few other websites). Complete anonymity prevents the community from being able to assess the trustworthiness of a website. We don’t need legal filings, but it would be nice to have a clue as to who the players are in this game.

      Second, due to the nature of how PinkDate is going to do business, FOSTA/SESTA is the least of their troubles. By taking “commissions” from the providers, they are operating as a agency, and therefore can fall under various pimping or pandering laws.

      The commissions also mean that the ladies are no longer truly independent. I and many other clients don’t like the idea of other people getting paid for what the ladies do. This is why many of us make a concerted effort not to see pimped ladies. We want the lady to keep what she earns.

      I do not like this set-up at all. It takes far to much from the providers, and it does nothing to truly protect them. In fact, due to the commissions, it could be used to legally hurt the woman, since prosecutors could make use of RICO laws. This is an all-around bad set-up, especially in light of the difficult times we are in.

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      • Nobody wants women to be coerced or exploited, but if PinkDate is offering a service and getting paid for it, I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing.

        The company offers screening, listing, logistics, etc. Women in the business already pay for these services. They also pay out of pocket for hotel and travel expenses, etc. They often hire virtual assistants to help out with booking. They regularly hire web developers, photographers, pay for advertising services. So in a broad sense, they do not “keep” all the money that is handed over from the client. A lot of it goes to defray costs.

        To me there’s a huge difference between voluntarily paying for services versus being coerced or pimped. I don’t see how the PinkDate situation, where they offer a service for anyone to use and that anyone is free to join and subsequently leave at any time, is at all similar to pimping in any meaningful, ethical sense. PinkDate just wraps up a lot of convenience services that women are very often paying for anyway into a single onestop shop.

        Some women will choose to use them, many others won’t. But critically it is a choice, and consent is the most important thing.

        The law side is a totally different ball of wax. But I don’t think anyone here would appeal to the law as a good reference for ethics or morals.

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        • Jacob, I’m wondering if you would be willing to be honest with everyone here about your connection to PinkDate. Your choice to defend it makes me wonder if you stand to profit from it.

          As for expenses that the ladie have, being part of PinkDate is not mitigating any of those except advertising (which can run from the very expensive to completely free in cost). But with such a high commission it is increasing the expenses women will have to pay. I do not think that is a good thing.

          This business model just seems highly exploitive to me. There is a serious lack of control on the part of the women over too much of the process. It is rife with potential for trouble. There are just too many questions and potential pitfalls, so I stand by my assessment and my recommendation for people to avoid using PinkDate.

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      • I think it’s rational for readers to assume I have a bias, but I think I’m making pretty reasonable assertions.

        Personally I think a commission model is much more ethical. It means that PinkDate wants providers to make successful dates. Their interests align. This is distinct from listing sites, which really don’t care if providers are successful or not. Sites like Eros will sometimes take money, cancel or remove listings without warning or explanation, etc.

        I don’t understand why “this service costs too much” suddenly crosses from a simple business calculation into exploitation. If the service costs too much, the business will fail. If providers find it provides value, then they’ll use it and pay for it. Simple as that.

        I just don’t see how that makes it remotely similar to pimping or coercion. If you think the business model sucks because it’s too expensive and no one will use it, that makes sense to me. But crossing over from a simple assessment of business viability to condemning it on ethical grounds is a bit mystifying.

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    • Oh, and as a side note. The abbreviation “PD” is already being used in the community to denote the website PrivateDelights, so PinkDate should not be referred to in that way. Nicknames are one of those first-come basis kind of things.

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  3. if they are only dealing with crypto then why are they adamant about getting my banking info and debit card number to join and start using the service? i tried to sign up with a few different cards the last being my cash app debit card, which works everywhere else a normal debit card works. it’s very suspicious to me they won’t let ladies accept payment or even use the site without giving them bank info. they don’t ask for a crypto account.

    i don’t believe they screen clients other then them having the money to pay, they don’t do anything to protect us, we sit blindly being set up for dates. they don’t use screening or blacklist sites as you have to be a verified provider, agencies don’t get granted access to these type of sites, men don’t get granted access to these types of sites. and they usually require an invitation or vouch from an established provider. without them having any swers as part of their team, it’s highly unlikely anyone is checking for them if the clients who use the site are safe or blacklisted. i don;t know what it takes for men to join but they have not made it easy, i even emailed them about my issues joining and they were no help, they didn’t care that i had issues and did nothing to help resolve the issues. so they certainly don’t care about the providers.

    they say yes to every guy with money and don’t care what his history is, much like a pimp and having their handout to collect the funds to then distribute to the lady, maintaining all the control much like a pimp does. pimps don’t have to coerce a lady to do anything, they son’t even have to be forced. pimps provide a false sense of security and answer texts pretending to be the lady, negotiating the rate and collecting upon arrival, they manipulate ladies into thinking they need them to work to see clients and book their rooms because it’s likely she doesn’t have ID to do so. most ladies aren’t even aware they’re being pimped, you control her mind and you don’t need to force her to do anything.

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    • I don’t know where your getting asked for banking information, but we don’t ask for that. We wouldn’t even ask for your card information. We don’t want your card information, it doesn’t do anything for us. You aren’t verifying with it, you aren’t paying for ads using it, there is no reason for it. What site are you connecting to? Currently, we aren’t asking for a wallet either, though that feature is being built in.

      We most certainly do not say yes to every guy with money, that would be dangerous and I would refuse to be part of it. We don’t negotiate with the client, you set your prices. We don’t contact the clients, they continue talking directly to you.

      The level of misinformation here is something I’d love to address, in as much detail as is required. Hey ValleyScott whenever your ready PinkDate.is

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